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Posté le: Vendredi 20 Janvier 2023 21:35:57
Numéro présent dans le profil, mais problème de récupération des caractéristiques de la ligne
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bonnin85 (Auteur du topic)
Intéressé
Hors-ligne
Inscrit le : 27 Déc 2006 Messages : 92
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Forfait : Freebox Dégroupage Total
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Bonjour,
Suite à ma réponse sur un autre sujet, on m'a conseillé d'ouvrir un sujet dédié.
Le NRA est DID75 et la freebow est une superbe Crystal Collector. Celle qui l'a précédé était une v4. Ce sont mes 2 seules Freebox sur 18 ans continue.
Les coupures sont de tailles variable (de 1 secondes à 15 secondes) et les intervalles sont aussi de taille variable (de 1 minute a 6 minutes).
Le phénomène intervient surtout en soirée à partir de 20h00. Je suis beaucoup moins gênés en journée pour le télétravail.
Le problème perdure depuis des mois sans que je n'ai jamais pris le temps de m'en occuper et en espérant que cela finisse par se résolver tout seul... sauf que non.
J'ai contacté l'assistance 1 fois via l'interface. J'ai eu une réponse qui me demande de brancher le PC en Ethernet (mais c'est déjà le cas) et de relancer la Freebox (déjà relancé à plusieurs reprises sans effets, bien sur).
A Paris, je logement est éligible fibre depuis des années. Cependant, j'ai toujours refusé. Pour moi, le cuivre, c'est plus solide que la fibre.
Mais... là, avec ce problème... A priori, on me conseil ici plutôt de lâcher l'affaire et que la fibre résoudrait quoi qu'il arrive ce genre de problème.
Je lance quand même le poste au cas ou il y aurait une solution, histoire d'aller au bout de l'aventure ADSL.
Le suivi de ce jour avec Ping Tracer, cela donne çà :
(20/01/2023 09:05:51): Initializing pings to www.google.fr
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Posté le: Vendredi 20 Janvier 2023 22:09:00
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mickeul16
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Citation: | Pour moi, le cuivre, c'est plus solide que la fibre |
Si la fibre est bien tirée ( soudure bien faite, rayons de courbure respectés )et que le facteur humain n'intervient pas (sous-traitants indélicats qui ne remettent pas les cables correctement , qui débranchent pour gagner une connexion et être payés, coupure de fibre dans les armoires de rue, etc), la fibre c'est plus pérenne que le cuivre (pas d'oxydation des fils,pas de sensibilité aux perturbations électromagnétiques diverses).
Les plaintes ici ou ailleurs sont forcément plus visibles, les gens ne viennent jamais pour dire quand ils sont satisfaits (c'est un peu le même cas qu'au travail, quand u fais bien ton travail, personne ne dit rien, par contre dès qu'une bêtise est faite, tout le monde te tombe dessus).
Pour exemple, ma fibre a été bien posée, et hormis un problème de module ONU défaillant dans les 24H qui ont suivi la pose (série défectueuse), jamais eu de problème invalidant en 2 ans, si on fait abstraction que les équipements ont souffert pendant les canicules de l'été dernier, la connexion a sauté, mais pas plus de 15 min)
En ADSL, ça pas toujours été si rose à comparer. |
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Posté le: Vendredi 20 Janvier 2023 23:32:28
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menelas29
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Bonsoir,
Pour ma part j'ai la fibre depuis janvier 2017 et jamais eu de problème par contre en ADSL j'avais des freezes TV |
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Posté le: Samedi 21 Janvier 2023 08:58:47
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bernie38
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Pour abonder dans le sens de Menelas29 et Mickeul16, je peux dire que j'ai la fibre depuis novembre 2018, et la seule panne a été une casse de ma fibre dans le PBO lors de l'installation d'une fibre d'un voisin par un technicien (ou sous-traitant) SFR (c'est courant...). Réparation en moins de 48 heures. |
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Posté le: Samedi 21 Janvier 2023 10:02:25
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Bonjour
Oui il y a risque de coupure lors de raccordement d'un voisin, cela ne fait aucun doute, mais une fois les proches voisins raccordés tout va bien.
C'était d'ailleurs le même scénario en ADSL : a chaque nouveau branchement il y avait risque.. et c'est logique, plus il y a de branchements dans une zone, plus le risque existe.. et là actuellement il y a évidemment plus de raccordements en fibre qu'en ADSL.
En ADSL en cas de coupure, il faut une procédure longue, vérification des équipements chez Free, visite ITI au domicile et seulement ensuite lancement du GAMOT auprès d'Orange qui gère la Boucle Locale cuivre dans tous les cas !
Et là en ADSL c'était au minimum 8 jours et bien plus souvent pour être rétabli.. puisque intervention de plusieurs intervenants et Orange au final.
En accès fibre c'est direct visite d'un technicien Free au domicile et bien souvent c'est très rapide. C'est Free, en cas de fibre qui est responsable du raccordement final, Free peut donc dans la majorité des cas réparer très vite.
Quand on fait le bilan de tout cela, l'accès fibre est largement gagnant .. Et là je n'évoque que la maintenance, le débit lui est au top , le confort d'usage est tel qu'on ne se rend même pas compte que toit va bien (on s'habitue très vite au confort) |
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Posté le: Samedi 21 Janvier 2023 10:02:30
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abel99
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Inutile de faire des tests aussi rapprochés et d'en donner une liste aussi longue ...
Le graphique suffit largement.
Autre chose : il vaut mieux faire des tests en restant dans le réseau Free, par exemple un Ping Tracer vers www.Free.fr,
aussi bien en IPV4 qu'en IPV6
Citation: | Nom : www.Free.fr
Addresses:
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Ce qu'on peut voir, c'est que le problème existe entre ta Freebox et le Dslam :
- soit la Freebox elle_même ou son alimentation
- soit la ligne jusqu'au Dslam
- soit le Dslam.
- une source de parasites chez toi où dans le voisinage proche
Ça m'étonnerait qu'Orange se lance dans une vérification/réparation de la ligne ou du Dslam
Une possibilité avec une Freebox Crystal : un problème d'alimentation.
Si tu as des Freeplugs, essaie chacun pour alimenter le boîtier 1 Adsl, sans brancher du tout l'autre
Si possible en débranchant les périphériques : téléphone fixe, PC, imprimante, NAS, câble vers le boîtier 2, ...
en ne gardant qu'un seul appareil pour voir si la connexion a toujours le même problème.
Si tu as des alimentations classiques et qu'elles sont identiques : 12 volts et au moins 3,15A
tu pourras tester chacune pour alimenter le boîtier 1 (avec un petit adaptateur à laisser sur le boîtier 1)
Pour les parasites, un blackout de l'installation électrique, sauf alimentation du boîtier 1, permet de vérifier si le problème est chez toi ou à l'extérieur.
Si le problème persiste, tu ne pourras rien faire de plus et la solution du passage à la fibre sera probablement la meilleure, surtout en télétravail (avec changement de Freebox, ce qui a déjà du t'être proposé ) |
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Posté le: Dimanche 22 Janvier 2023 18:28:11
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bonnin85 (Auteur du topic)
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Busyspider a écrit: |
Oui il y a risque de coupure lors de raccordement d'un voisin, cela ne fait aucun doute |
C'est vraiment de cela dont j'ai peur. En 18 ans, il me semble me souvenir que je n'ai fait intervenir qu'une fois un technicien Free (je ne sais même plus quel pouvait être le problème à l'époque et le problème n'était même pas chez moi).
J'ai 11 voisins de palier (un seul boitier de raccordement par palier). L'immeuble, c'est pratiquement 100 appartements. Il y a des déménagement et des emménagement tout le temps.
Et notez bien que tous les incidents dont j'ai entendu parlé, ce ne sont que mes connaissances. Je n'ai même pas parlé du forum. J'ai déjà parlé de mes parent a Noël. Mais là, encore ce week end, plus de fibre chez mon frère (lui en maison individuel et dans une autre ville). Je vois mes collègues de boulot. C'est quand même très fréquent que la fibre se coupe dés qu'un technicien intervient quelque part (j'ai l'impression que ca tourne en boucle). Je me pose vraiment la question si on gagne vraiment en fiabilité avec la fibre. Est ce qu'il existe des stat entre Fibre/ADSL sur ce sujet ?
Mais je comprends bien aussi qu'on ne pourra pas y couper (c'est le cas dire) à l'avenir. Il y a déplus un enjeu majeur à récupérer du cuivre de toutes façon. |
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Posté le: Dimanche 22 Janvier 2023 18:44:06
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bonnin85 (Auteur du topic)
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abel99 a écrit: | Inutile de faire des tests aussi rapprochés et d'en donner une liste aussi longue ... |
Le graphique ne montrait l'activité que sur 30 minutes. Le problème est déjà irrégulier sur cet intervalle. Mais il est aussi irrégulier sur l"échelle de la journée. Et cà, l'image sur 30 minutes ne le montre pas. Il n'y a que la longue liste qui permet de voir qu'il y a assez peu de problème en journée et que la fréquence et l'impacte des problèmes sont tout autre en soirée.
Donc, au final, la longue liste est une information importante qui permet d'éliminer d'entré de jeux certaine piste... comme un problème matériel chez moi, par exemple. Pourquoi une alimentation fonctionnerai bien de 09h00 à 18h00 puis se mettrait à ne plus bien fonctionner à partir de 18h00 ?
abel99 a écrit: |
Une possibilité avec une Freebox Crystal : un problème d'alimentation.
Si tu as des Freeplugs, essaie chacun pour alimenter le boîtier 1 Adsl, sans brancher du tout l'autre
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Donc, voilà le sujet de l'alimentation. Comme écrit plus haut, je n'y croyait pas vraiment de toute façon. Cela dit, c'est facile pour moi de faire ce test puisque je n'ai jamais installé le boitier vidéo dont je n'ai que faire. J'ai donc toujours en stock un freeplug qui ne me sert à rien. J'ai fait le switch malgré tout, mais comme on pouvait s'y attendre, cela ne change rien au problème.
J'ai refais un message coté Free Vendredi soir... Mais je n'ai plus de réponse depuis. J'ai demandé qu'il me détail l'offre fibre.
Savez vous par quoi la Crystal serait remplacée aujourd'hui ? Je suis toujours a 29.99¤/mois mais je ne vois aucune offre fibre à ce prix sur le site internet de Free. |
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Posté le: Dimanche 22 Janvier 2023 18:57:50
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Busyspider
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bonnin85 a écrit: | Savez vous par quoi la Crystal serait remplacée aujourd'hui ? Je suis toujours a 29.99¤/mois mais je ne vois aucune offre fibre à ce prix sur le site internet de Free. | Bonsoir
Pour une migration à la fibre optique, le remplacement de Freebox pour qu'elle soit compatible à la fibre est je pense actuellement une mini 4k au prix de 29,99¤ tout compris.
Plus proposée en nouvelle offre sur le portail de Free, elle reste encore à ce jour la Freebox en migration vers la fibre, pour ceux qui possèdent une V5/Crystal. |
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Posté le: Dimanche 22 Janvier 2023 19:05:29
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bonnin85 (Auteur du topic)
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abel99 a écrit: |
Autre chose : il vaut mieux faire des tests en restant dans le réseau Free, par exemple un Ping Tracer vers www.Free.fr,
aussi bien en IPV4 qu'en IPV6
Citation: | Nom : www.Free.fr
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Merci pour l'info. C'est bien noté. J'ai refait quelque suivit avec www.Free.fr. Je ne remet pas d'image. j'obtient un résultat tout à fait à fait similaire. |
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Posté le: Dimanche 22 Janvier 2023 19:08:37
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Busyspider a écrit: | bonnin85 a écrit: | Savez vous par quoi la Crystal serait remplacée aujourd'hui ? Je suis toujours a 29.99¤/mois mais je ne vois aucune offre fibre à ce prix sur le site internet de Free. | Bonsoir
Pour une migration à la fibre optique, le remplacement de Freebox pour qu'elle soit compatible à la fibre est je pense actuellement une mini 4k au prix de 29,99¤ tout compris.
Plus proposée en nouvelle offre sur le portail de Free, elle reste encore à ce jour la Freebox en migration vers la fibre, pour ceux qui possèdent une V5/Crystal. |
Ok. Merci pour l'info (qui n'apparait pas sur le site internet de Free). Donc, le boitier serveur de la mini 4k est un petit peu plus petit que le boitier Crystal. Ça, çà irait dans le bon sens. |
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Posté le: Lundi 23 Janvier 2023 10:32:19
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Le serveur de la mini 4k est plus petit : le boîtier mesure 18x18x5cm
+ environ 7 cm en profondeur pour les câbles branchés à l'arrière
(alimentation, USB, RJ45, arrivée fibre, sortie téléphone fixe)
MAIS il comporte un ventilateur qui peut être bruyant :
il vaut mieux ne pas l'avoir dans une pièce où on dort
et lui laisser de la place autour pour éviter une surchauffe.
Habituellement, Free envoie la mini 4k avant la migration pour que le technicien puisse vérifier qu'elle se connecte bien à la fibre.
Si tu veux avoir des infos, essaie par l'Assistance au lieu de la Hotline du 3244 :
depuis l'application "Free Assistance" sur mobile
ou à partir du lien que tu devrais avoir dans l'interface de gestion de l'abonnement, Mon assistance :
- soit l'Assistance de proximité si elle est disponible
- soit un lien vers "WhatsApp par messagerie" en bas de la fenêtre.
Dans tous les cas, on peut soit avoir un interlocuteur rapidement, soit laisser un message (en fonction des horaires de disponibilité).
La réponse peut venir en direct ou en différé, par le même moyen ou par appel sur la ligne fixe ou mobile.
Les techniciens qui répondent sont plus efficaces que la HotLine classique |
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Posté le: Lundi 23 Janvier 2023 20:59:03
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Bonjour
L'assistance Free a suspecté aujourd’hui une perturbation du wifi pour expliquer le fait que le problème ne survienne qu'en soirée (bien que je décrive le problème sur un poste connecté en Ethernet).
Mais ce soir, Le changement de canal et le passage du wifi en WPA (AES/CCMP) ne change rien. C'est un festival de "Time out" dés passé 18h00/18h30.
A noter que j'ai testé également ce soir la désactivation total du wifi. C'est pareil également. Dans les deux cas, j'ai bien rebooté la Freebox à chaque fois. Je pense qu'on peut oublier définitivement un quelconque rapport à avec le wifi. Pourtant, en journée en télétravail, il n'y a pas soucis.
Je sens que le support n'est pas en maitrise totale sur mon sujet et que cela va être long.
Dans l'idée de se projeter sur le serveur de la mini 4k, le ventilateur évoqué est éfféctivement un problème. Je n'ai qu'une seule pièce à vivre. |
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Dernière édition par bonnin85 le Lundi 23 Janvier 2023 21:00:36; édité 2 fois |
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Posté le: Mardi 24 Janvier 2023 20:46:24
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On me répond aujourd'hui : "Malheureusement, je n'ai aucune piste".
Et enfin, on me propose la migration fibre pour résoudre le problème.
Pas de surprise. |
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Posté le: Jeudi 26 Janvier 2023 22:28:04
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Min4k Commandé hier soir.
Ce matin, on m'appelle et on me propose le passage d'un technicien. Alors, je prends quand même. Si on peut avoir une chance de trouver l'origine du problème, cela m’intéresse malgré tout (d'autant que je ne sais pas encore dans quelle delai je pourrais vraiment disposé de la Fibre).
Donc, peut être des nouvelles passionnantes sur mon feuilleton lundi prochain. |
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